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plan were just not true for millions of us and team obama knew it. we'll keep a close eye on that story as it continues to develop this evening. now, there's also a growing amount of heat on hhs secretary kathleen sebelius to step down. i do think she deserves a lot of criticism but i'll say again, she's taking way too much for the president, who should be held accountable for all of this. listen to how our friends at "saturday night live "i made fun of the story. >> secretary sebelius this week said president obama did not know about the technical problems until after the site's launch, in a statement she delivered from under the bus. >> right under the bus. more from snl a little later in the show. now let's turn to our distinguished guests to talk about this. joining me on set, jared bernstein. jim pethokoukis, a cnbc contributor. john bernstein, let me go to you first. i never like to say presidents lie. i like to say they're examples of huge cognitive dissonance, okay? they knew 65% would be cancelled, other parties say they thought 80% would be
plan were just not true for millions of us and team obama knew it. we'll keep a close eye on that story as it continues to develop this evening. now, there's also a growing amount of heat on hhs secretary kathleen sebelius to step down. i do think she deserves a lot of criticism but i'll say again, she's taking way too much for the president, who should be held accountable for all of this. listen to how our friends at "saturday night live "i made fun of the story. >> secretary...
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it's just we who don't like barack obama who want our guns who don't want obama care, we're the real americans. so it's not as if we have a culturally politically diverse country going on. and we go back and forth in between who wins and loses in policy fights, it's about what ask the real america. i think it has tremendously deep religious roots as well. >> i didn't start out the way i am politically. i moved from right to left. and i began even in college or younger i thought we do need social security. everybody can't end up on welfare because they didn't have enough real savings out of their work. you need a program to get people to save. and you need medicare for people who don't have health. nobody could pay the health care costs these days on their own. and you need civil rights. you can't wait for the southern states to agree 3/4 of the states. there had to be measures to move society ahead. that's when i started thinking through the libertarianism as a kid. but when cruz offers this libertarianism for kids like we don't really need social security or medicare. we don't need
it's just we who don't like barack obama who want our guns who don't want obama care, we're the real americans. so it's not as if we have a culturally politically diverse country going on. and we go back and forth in between who wins and loses in policy fights, it's about what ask the real america. i think it has tremendously deep religious roots as well. >> i didn't start out the way i am politically. i moved from right to left. and i began even in college or younger i thought we do need...
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. >>> the obama care debacle continues, and a story just breaking tonight. nbc news reports the obama white house has known for at least three years that millions of americans would in fact lose their preferred health insurance plans because of obama care. this comes as more people call for hhs secretary kathleen sebelius to step down over this, but i say it's way over time to hold president obama accountable. the buck stops there. he ought to show some back bone and not just blame his underlings. and there's talk about the
. >>> the obama care debacle continues, and a story just breaking tonight. nbc news reports the obama white house has known for at least three years that millions of americans would in fact lose their preferred health insurance plans because of obama care. this comes as more people call for hhs secretary kathleen sebelius to step down over this, but i say it's way over time to hold president obama accountable. the buck stops there. he ought to show some back bone and not just blame his...
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i'm curious, did you support obama care to begin with? were you in favor of this program? >> actually, no. well, initially, i thought it was going to be a good plan. and then it got to the point where it seemed like i was asking questions and no one really understood the plan. all the things we were told that we could keep what we have for now, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. and then when i had this letter arrive, it just blew me away. >> when did you start asking the questions, after they passed it? >> yes. >> i mean, people were -- it was such a high concept at that time, nobody understood the nuts and bolts at that time. what about you, were you in favor of it? >> i was in favor of it. but i was in favor of the plan that they said was going to be. not the plan that we've gotten. and it's just -- you know, honestly, i hate to say it, but it's like bait and switch. >> yeah. so, deb remarks you may go without health care. what about you, diane, are you going to go without health care and pay the penalty? how are you going to deal with this? >> i might have to do
i'm curious, did you support obama care to begin with? were you in favor of this program? >> actually, no. well, initially, i thought it was going to be a good plan. and then it got to the point where it seemed like i was asking questions and no one really understood the plan. all the things we were told that we could keep what we have for now, and now that doesn't seem to be the case. and then when i had this letter arrive, it just blew me away. >> when did you start asking the...
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, and obama care. not once has he stepped up and given a solution to the 50 million americans who don't have health care. another thing that catches my attention is that over 10% of america's largest companies pay zero percent tax rate. i would like to know where the big target shooter stands on that. does he think that's fair for average americans? that 10 percent of meramerica's largest companies pay zero percent? never answers those kinds of questions because the conservative media protects those folks. cruz cares about protecting his big money corporate interests, and he's always at work. he wants those folks to put him in office. and you know what, as of late, there is no better example than his most recent stunt. pay attention, folks. ted cruz is blocking president obama's nominee for chairman of the federal communications commission. now, the president has nominated ex tell com industry lobbyist tom wheeler. good guy. wants him to head up the fcc. now, of course, there are five seats on the fede
, and obama care. not once has he stepped up and given a solution to the 50 million americans who don't have health care. another thing that catches my attention is that over 10% of america's largest companies pay zero percent tax rate. i would like to know where the big target shooter stands on that. does he think that's fair for average americans? that 10 percent of meramerica's largest companies pay zero percent? never answers those kinds of questions because the conservative media protects...
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two big problems for obama care and another big website problem and a new round of sticker shock. after this short break. . >>> welcome back to "power lunch." ten neco moving higher after reporting its third quarter adjusted profits and sales meet estimates. it's an auto parts maker in illinois, did have a $59 million restructuring expense in the quarter, shares at session highs. back to you. >> thank you very much. germany buzzing over the nasdaq scandal amid accusations the u.s. spy agency has been tapping in to angela merkel's phone since 2002. the front page of der speigel says it all. the nest pointing to the u.s. embassy in berlin. the nasdaq denying german reports that president obama was told about the tapping of miss merkel's phone three years ago. spain has called the u.s. ambassador in madrid to talk about charges the u.s. has been spying on spanish citizens. the big question that we're going to try to answer over the next few days is will this hurt u.s. businesses overseas? will there be a rift or a lack of trust if you will? we'll try to answer these questions in the
two big problems for obama care and another big website problem and a new round of sticker shock. after this short break. . >>> welcome back to "power lunch." ten neco moving higher after reporting its third quarter adjusted profits and sales meet estimates. it's an auto parts maker in illinois, did have a $59 million restructuring expense in the quarter, shares at session highs. back to you. >> thank you very much. germany buzzing over the nasdaq scandal amid...
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. >> obama unaware. >> it's a terrible headline. every time there's a problem in the administration obama is unaware. >> he's mad that he didn't know. >> he's mad about obama care. >> he's mad about -- >> that we were spying. >> mad about the irs scandal. mad about benghazi. >> if you're obama, what is the answer on the merkel phone? >> what are you supposed to say? >> our bad. >> are you supposed to say our bad? >> personally to her you say our bad. >> the germans are furious, truly furious. >> by the way, since we did find out -- since he did find out about this they canceled some of them but not all. >> right. that's the funny thing in that story. >> now and in the future. >> we're not doing merkel but we won't say -- >> we did it in the past. no question. >> the germans don't do it. >> the germans don't do it. they say they don't do it. >> when you're in international espionage a lot of this stuff goes on that nobody says they do. >> be a big boy and say, you know what, life is what it is. chinese do it, germans do it, french do
. >> obama unaware. >> it's a terrible headline. every time there's a problem in the administration obama is unaware. >> he's mad that he didn't know. >> he's mad about obama care. >> he's mad about -- >> that we were spying. >> mad about the irs scandal. mad about benghazi. >> if you're obama, what is the answer on the merkel phone? >> what are you supposed to say? >> our bad. >> are you supposed to say our bad? >>...